Nice episode. I was thinking a bit more... while the lines one draws to group different works together are arbitrary, some lines make more sense than others. I also think that micro-history aspects can reinforce staying inside some lines rather than others. This is why I like micro-history, it helps me to focus my interests.
Regarding the 5 big Bolognese sources, dall'Agocchie sounds to me anachronistic for his time, considering the developments that emerged back then. I know that some people say that his work is more simplistic, easier to grasp, and a better introduction point for the Bolognese tradition. Having an explicit concept of tempo helps, but I suspect this work is easier to assimilate because he has digested for us what came before. So he is not so much the start of anything new, but rather a resume of key aspects of the old. At least that's how I see it (but while I used him to learn the basics, I'm not an expert; these days I am also concentrating on getting a deeper understanding of Manciolino so I can move on to Marozzo; well, when I don't goof off with rapiers that is).
I also agree that Guy Windsor is wrong about the lack of communication between neighboring regions. And it's not just that the distances mentioned are not that great, especially for a quite developed place like Italy of those times. Yes, if you are the village baker, you'll stay inside the village or city of your residence for most of your life. But if you are a mathematician (for some reason, quite a few fencing masters were mathematicians), a law practitioner who came to study in Bologna, or a captain in arms, you would travel much more than people of other professions. This is true even today, when people who work in universities tend to travel for work much more than someone who has to wake up and manage his shop every day.
I agree, my core focus is Marozzo and Manciolino, to some degree Achillini as well, I use dall'Agocchie and Viggiani as supplemental resources to inrich my study, and to explore some deeper tactical insights that they may outline more succinctly than the earlier authors. My respect for the earlier sources, is a desire to explore the time stamp of the earlier Bolognese tradition before the collapse of the Bentivoglio Signoria. I'm going to really get into this in our next article, which will shed some amazing light on the height of the Bentivogleschi regime, the post collapse reimagination, and the eventual revival. It will put all of the authors in perspective in a way that I think we've always danced around, but haven't had the historiography to articulate.
For some reason I'm not seeing it on my podcatching app. I tried importing this episode through the RSS link on the post but it's not recognizing.
wait I figured it out, please ignore lmao
Nice episode. I was thinking a bit more... while the lines one draws to group different works together are arbitrary, some lines make more sense than others. I also think that micro-history aspects can reinforce staying inside some lines rather than others. This is why I like micro-history, it helps me to focus my interests.
Regarding the 5 big Bolognese sources, dall'Agocchie sounds to me anachronistic for his time, considering the developments that emerged back then. I know that some people say that his work is more simplistic, easier to grasp, and a better introduction point for the Bolognese tradition. Having an explicit concept of tempo helps, but I suspect this work is easier to assimilate because he has digested for us what came before. So he is not so much the start of anything new, but rather a resume of key aspects of the old. At least that's how I see it (but while I used him to learn the basics, I'm not an expert; these days I am also concentrating on getting a deeper understanding of Manciolino so I can move on to Marozzo; well, when I don't goof off with rapiers that is).
I also agree that Guy Windsor is wrong about the lack of communication between neighboring regions. And it's not just that the distances mentioned are not that great, especially for a quite developed place like Italy of those times. Yes, if you are the village baker, you'll stay inside the village or city of your residence for most of your life. But if you are a mathematician (for some reason, quite a few fencing masters were mathematicians), a law practitioner who came to study in Bologna, or a captain in arms, you would travel much more than people of other professions. This is true even today, when people who work in universities tend to travel for work much more than someone who has to wake up and manage his shop every day.
I agree, my core focus is Marozzo and Manciolino, to some degree Achillini as well, I use dall'Agocchie and Viggiani as supplemental resources to inrich my study, and to explore some deeper tactical insights that they may outline more succinctly than the earlier authors. My respect for the earlier sources, is a desire to explore the time stamp of the earlier Bolognese tradition before the collapse of the Bentivoglio Signoria. I'm going to really get into this in our next article, which will shed some amazing light on the height of the Bentivogleschi regime, the post collapse reimagination, and the eventual revival. It will put all of the authors in perspective in a way that I think we've always danced around, but haven't had the historiography to articulate.